Here are some questions you might be asking yourself about water ionizers:
- If water ionizers are so good, why doesn’t anybody know about them?
- Why do people like Stephen Lower or Dr. Weil claim that water ionizers are a scam when tens of thousands of people refer the machines to their family and friends with fantastic reviews?
- Why do so many companies in the industry claim that they are the best and badmouth other companies?
- And, last but certainly not least, why are they so bloody expensive?
When I was in the water ionizer business, I found it was virtually impossible to sell anybody a water ionizer. I sold hundreds of Tyent units, but every sale came from people contacting me through internet advertising or by a word of mouth referral. It is very difficult to convince anyone to spend thousands of dollars on a water ionizer when you can get water for free from your tap, especially with so much conflicting information on the internet.
Very few people in our society understand that most forms of sickness and degenerative disease are the result of a process rather than an event. People take their good health for granted. If people fee OK, they assume that everything is OK in their body with little or no regard for the truth.
Anyone that drinks ionized water realizes that everyone should be drinking the water for its many benefits. However, trying to convince someone to drink the water that isn’t sick or a health nut is like trying to sell snow to an Eskimo (sorry if that is politically incorrect, but I’m an old guy).
Why is it so difficult to get people to buy a water ionizer, or even try drinking the water? There are a lot of reasons, some valid, some invalid, and some that are the fault of the players in the water ionizer industry itself.
Let’s start by stating outright that water ionizers are not a gimmick. They are incredibly effective machines that are helping hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people around the world.
How do I know?
Ionized water changed my life and I have spoken to hundreds of others that have experienced the benefits of the water. When I was in the water ionizer business, I was responsible for selling and repairing Tyent water ionizers in Canada. I talked to a lot of people and the evidence of the benefits is overwhelming. While water ionizers are very reliable, we would sometimes have to repair a machine, usually due to a malfunction caused during shipping or blockage created from hard water scaling. You really learn to understand how important the water is to people when they call up in a panic because their machine isn’t working and they want to know how quickly we can get their machine back up and running. Once you start drinking the water and experiencing the benefits, it becomes a necessity of life.
What about the quack watchers such as the widely quoted Stephen Lower and physicians like Dr. Weil who have written articles based upon their belief that water ionizers don’t or can’t work? I have been researching their articles one by one in an attempt to understand how they can write what they write. It turns out that they either have an agenda, or they simply have not done their homework. None of the naysayers are drinking the water now,or have even tried drinking the water. They have not tested the water themselves to determine if they derive any benefits, and they have not interviewed others who have benefited from the water.
Stephen Lower has been contacted by many people questioning his position on ionized water. He has admitted in writing that he has not tested the water and that it probably works. However, Lower continues to maintain his stance until he has seen scientific studies that support the use of the water. Many studies are underway, so it is simply a matter of time. What boggles my mind, is that Stephen Lower’s fictional writings are quoted on Wikipedia as research. It just goes to show you that you should be very careful about what you read on the internet.
Others naysayers read reviews written by people such as Stephen Lower and quote from what they have read without doing any actual research. They claim that that science doesn’t support water ionizers which they use as an argument that water ionizers are a hoax. They base their theories on the fact that the acidic levels of the stomach would negative charges found in alkaline ionized water. What they fail to understand is that ionized water passes through the stomach immediately, thereby allowing the negative charges in the water to become effective antioxidants. If you don’t believe me, try a simple experiment yourself. If you drink three 16 ounce glasses of tap or bottled water in a short period of time such as 5 minutes, you will find that you are bloated and uncomfortable for a couple of hours. If you drink three 16 ounce glasses of alkaline ionized water in the same five minute period, you will find that you are not bloated at all, and you won’t experience any discomfort. The doctors or scientists that have never done any research or testing can talk and write all they want, but until they do their own testing, their comments are worthless.
The primary reason people don’t drink ionized water is that most of us have never heard of it. In fact, far less than 1% of people are even aware of the terms alkaline water or ionized water. The lack of awareness is the responsibility of the water ionizer industry. Other than the great work being done by the Enagic reps who spread the word about their kangen/ionized water, nobody is building awareness. The companies that do advertise water ionizers, spend their money and time trying to convince us that their product is the best and that other products are inferior. The net effect of the archaic marketing efforts of these companies is to confuse the public.
Another reason so few people drink ionized water is the high retail price charged for the machines. The Enagic MLM company charges nearly $4000 for its machine. Companies like Jupiter, Life Ionizers, and Tyent charge between $2,500 and $3,000 for their top end machines and about $2,000 for their lower priced products.
My goal since I started this blog has been to drive the price of good quality water ionizers down under $1,000 so that more people can afford to own water ionizers. Even if you can afford a $4,000 or $2,500 machine, it is a big number. In fact, I used to argue with the owner of the water ionizer company that I worked for (Tyent) to set the price at $995 so that more people could afford to purchase their water ionizers. It is pretty obvious that I lost the argument, but the seeds have been planted and we are now beginning to see results. The importers of water ionizers have always held firm on their high prices in the past, but they are now offering discounts on certain days or during sale events. In effect, they are dropping their prices while pretending that they are maintaining their retail prices. Nobody is going to spend hundreds of dollars more to buy a water ionizer on a certain day if they read in the advertisement that the price will be lower on certain days.
Companies are dropping prices to combat the lower prices offered by water ionizer companies that provide products that are as good or even better than the higher priced machines. A perfect example of the new trend combining high quality and lower prices is the new EOS Platinum offered at $1,695. The good news for consumers is that the competition has already started to respond. For example, Tyent responded to the EOS Platinum by offering the IonQuench 8080, a lower quality model made by EOS. I don’t know who is making the IonQuench machines for Tyent now as EOS stopped supplying Tyent, but Tyent is very proactive and I’m sure they will find another manufacturer of the machine.
I can’t imagine that the current price advantage held by the Platinum will last long, because the competition will have to lower their prices in an attempt to maintain their market share. In the past, companies have been able to charge higher prices because of a lack of awareness to spur competition, or they have added more bells and whistles to lure buyers to their products. The reality is that water ionizers are as good as they are capable of getting with the current technology, so the next battle ground will be price. The inevitable price wars will provide a win for all consumers. The companies themselves will eventually realize that they will also win from a price war when they finally acknowledge that it is better to have much higher sales based upon a more affordable product than to maximize their profits on low sales volume. There is plenty of room for prices to come down while still providing healthy profit margins. I think it is a travesty that so few people know about ionized water and that so many who do learn about the water are turned off because of the price of the machines.
The opinions expressed in this article are those of the author. The author is not a medical doctor and his opinions are not intended to be offered as medical advice. It is always advised to seek the advice of health care professionals for any health issues.
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Nice article Rob. One question I have is why does the beneficial effects of the ionized water break down within 2-3 days? How does it lose it’s high alkalinity?
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Hi David:
Thanks for the comment.
Taking water in its simplest form, it has a natural neutral balance as the two hydrogen atoms each have a positive charge and the single oxygen atom has a double negative charge. This is why pure water is incredibly stable and can’t be ionized. When we run water over electrically charged plates (electrolysis) in the presence of minerals etc, the water molecules are artificially charged with either a positive or negative charge. The condition is temporary and the molecules will end up going back to a neutral state by combining with other positive or negatively charged moleculse. If you have an ORP meter, which measures the electrical charge of a liquid in milivolts, you can test this easily by taking a measure of the ORP of stong alkaline water in a glass. The very low ORP will disappear in seconds if you shake up the water in the glass. The pH itself will also decline, but not nearly as quickly as the ORP.
pH is a measure of the availability of Hydrogen ions. Acidic liquids have a higher concentration of Hydrogen ions (H+) while alkaline liquids have a higher concentration of hydroxyl ions (OH-). While the ORP (electrical charge measurement) recombines to neutral very quickly, the pH is much more resilient. I’m not a scientist, so I have to defer to the chemists on this one as to why the pH is more resilient to outside influences. However, based upon my reasearch and testing, the pH also diminishes over a few days.
I have come across an anomoly in to this in my research, as there is a company called E2 Power that sent me a couple of test bottles of their concentrate. When I tested their concentrate water, the pH has amazing staying power up to a pH of about 9 and the ORP remains at about minus 50 for much longer periods of time than anything else I have tested. The company sells the concentrate which can be mixed with water, and it also sells bottled water. I would much rather pay for a water ionizer that provides a wide range of values and generates micro clustered water for free than pay for the bottled water. However, as a bottled water, I would have to say that the E2 power water is the best I have tested. I believe the MLM company Isogenics is now using the E2 water in one of its products. I tested the Isogenics spray bottle today and it produced pH of about 8.5 and an ORP of minus 50. Not great, but still better than the other botttled water I have tested.
I don’t believe the E2 water or the Isogenics produce micro clustered water, but I haven’t done enough research on the products. Too many things to research and never enough time. Can anybody out there provide us with any additional information on this product?
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Hi Rob,
Thought I’d send you this website to look at. I can’t tell which ionizer they are promoting, but maybe you can. They definitely believe in ionization of water.
http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter456/index.htm
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Hi David….creating more challenges for me….good for you
I checked out the unit that you pointed out from the New Zealand website. The unit that they are selling is a 3 plate introductory unit made in China. I like the low price, but I believe it is low for the wrong reasons. I wouldn’t buy a unit from China at this point in time. You can see the unit at:
http://gz-huakai.en.made-in-china.com/product/rolESxJOHeck/China-Water-Ionizer-HK-8018A-.html
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Is the $1695 machine available in hongkong? Any distributor I can contact?
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Hi Josephine:
Nice to hear from you again. I don’t think you have commented before, but we have had a number of discussions behind the scenes. I don’t know if the company has a representative in Hong Kong. I will pass your email address along to the company so that they can contact you. Given your interest and knowledge about the water, I’m sure they would like to connect with you.
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Bonsoir Rob,
first of all, big thanks for your site and the time that you generously spend in answering our legitimate questions. Legitimate, do I say, ’cause between the moment one understands the vital necessity of drinking good water and the time he gets it from his tap, there are thousands of divergent informations and so many different ways and claims to obtain the precious liquid down into your drinking glass!!!
Ok. By what I have read here (and, of course, before, on dozens of controversial sites) I had came to the conclusion that the Tyent 7070 Turbo and the EOS IonQuench were the two best buys for a ionizer machine. As I was searching an ethical way to buy it (for I must say that, having been introduced to ionized water by an Enagic dealer, I felt uncorrect to just go on a site and buy another machine from anyone who had not participate in any way to my «education»), a friend of mine, to whom I fad talked and who is also interested in having «living» water introduced in her body, just sent me the link for two sites, that are given in a book on health.
Here are those two sites :
http://www.eauvivante.excelexgold.com,
http://www.opal-essence.com.
PLease, have you ever heard of these?
Are there any good?
As these systems represent much cheaper expenses to get supposedly good water… will ionizers machines owners realize in short that they have spent their money for extra-sophisticated technology?
I must say, to end, that health problems had put me in a financial very challenging situation and, in this regard, my question is crucial. Of course, I will do what is the best for my body, but i would be so sorry to realize that I haven’t chosen the best option.
Sincerely thanks for your time and expertise,
Claude Jardin.
PS. You will have understood, I guess, that my «bonjour» was a way to tell you that my mother tongue and current language is French, so, sorry if certain ways of saying sound funny to you, Eng guys ! Merci !!
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Hi Claude:
Thanks for the nice comments as they are always appreciated.
I answered your comment a few days ago but somehow, it didn’t show up, so I will try again.
I assume you have visited the ionizersreveiwed.com website as you have concluded the the Tyent Turbo and IonQuench are the two best buys. I don’t know if you are aware the Tyent paid for the development of the site and pays a substantial amount of money to advertise the site on Google.
Tyent owns IonQuench despite the fact that they never mention it anywhere. I wrote an article about the review site praising the site for introducing and recommending a new product (IonQuench) before I found out that Tyent owned IonQuench. I wasn’t surprised that Tyent was up to their old tricks, but it still made me angry to be fooled.
Both the Tyent Turbo and the EOS IonQuench are good machines, but I wish Tyent would just admit that the review site is a paid advertisement. Unfortunately, Tyent wins every time they fool people into believing the review site is actually independent, so I imagine that Tyent will continue to play their games until the tricks are no longer successful.
The entire water ionizer industry has been built on people testing the Enagic water and buying another product. It is unfortunate that nobody else is building awareness and it is unfortunate that the Enagic machines are so overpriced. I wish Enagic would give their amazing dealers competitive products at a competitive price so that the other companies would actually have to work at building awareness instead of stealing customers from Enagic.
I checked the two websites, but unfortunately I don’t speak French. I know that Canada is supposed to be a bilingual country, but I’m an old guy and haven’t spoken a word of French since high school. It is a shame that I haven’t kept up it as French is a beautiful language and I used to be very fluent many many many years ago.
I agree with you that water ionizers are overpriced. I think they should be about $1,600 each now based upon covering the cost of the machine, the overhead and profit that a company needs to cover in order to be financially healthy, and to cover a marketing team. In five years, when the demand for the machines has picked up and they are available at Costco, the machines should be about $1,100 as the marketing arm would no longer be necessary. In the meantime, we all just have to pay up until the industry matures and sorts itself out. I have looked at a few of the alternatives to water ionizers and I haven’t found anything that I would use in place of a water ionizer. That doens’t mean that something else doesn’t exist that could work, it just means I haven’t found out about it yet.
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Hi Rob and friends-readers,
here is some more info about the book from which the two sites (in my previous mail) have been taken. I just got the book tonight from a public library and, of course, it is the French version : La santé consciente. This is the translation of an original English written book «Conscious Health, Choosing natural solutions fot optimum health and lifelong vitality», by Ron Garner, published in 2006 by Beaufort Books.
There is a little chapter on water, chap 14 (12 pages), intitled «L’eau pour la vie» (The water for Life). As i just got it, I’ve only made a rapid reading, but enough to find that there seems to be there pretty good information about different types of water, including ionized water.
Just wanted to put this additional info in the game. Think that you, Rob and probably others readers, might find interest in picking them up. I am unfortunately NOT a scientific minded person, but here is some other technology – «Hexaédron 999», created here in Québec – that seems to be really efficient. Price is not an argument that would give advantage to this specific tech, as it is in the same range than ionizers.
to be followed…
Thanks,
Claude.
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Hi Claude:
Thanks for the update
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Thank you for your referral. We are contacting. I will inform my friend and see if he is interested.
Why people think that Kangen is better? First, it is more expensive. People tend to think that expensive means better. Second, the reps do very impressive and convincing demo. I don’t know whether other brands can do the same demo like tea bag, sesame oil, iodine test etc. Can they do the same? Also, the reps will wisely compare the plate size and material to justify the price (this is also very convincing). So Kangen becomes the market standard. Even when my friend is looking for a more affordable ionizer, the first thing he asked is “is it as good as Kangen” can it perform the same?
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Hi Josephine:
Good luck with your endeavors in Hong Kong.
Kangen. It seems like almost every inquiry has to do with Kangen. There is a good reason for that I suppose as Kangen dealers are the only ones spreading the word. You are absolutely correct that the Kangen reps put on great demonstrations and I appreciate every one of them….at least the ones that stick to the facts about water an ionization as opposed to spreading wrongful information.
The other brands don’t do much of anything other than sell units to people that have been educated by Kangen reps but don’t want to pay $4,000 for a Kangen. Anyone can do the same tests with any of the brands and produce the same results. The problem is that the industry is so preoccupied with making as much money as fast as possible instead of educating people.
I expect that Kangen’s days are numbered. While the Kangen reps are awesome, they need better products to sell at lower prices. I believe it is a tremendous waste of human passion and talent to saddle the Kangen reps with an overpriced, outdated machine. C’mon Kangen….wake up! Help your dealers help you. Provide them with new products at competitive prices and watch them go.
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What about Bawell ionizer. They are very affordable. Are they good?
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Hi Joanna:
I don’t know much about Bawell. I took a look at their site. I like the low prices as they are selling the two units that I looked at for $499 and $799. They are definitely entry level units and they are made in China. I don’t trust the safety and quality control of Chinese products at this time, so I wouldn’t recommend one of their units. I expect that the Chinese will eventually clean up their problems with safety and quality control issues, but I know I wouldn’t put one in my home at this time. I also think that the price of the Bawell units are too low based upon what I know it costs to build a good water ionizer. While all the companies out there are charging too much, the price of the Bawell tells me to look elsewhere.
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2nd trial. I had just completed my mail when, God knows on what button I have clicked!, the entire msg disappeared! grrrrrr…
ok.
this follows your answers dated Aug 19.
You are right, I had picked up my info from ionizersreviewed.com site. Great thanks for sharing so openly your knowledge and make us aware of unfair use of advertising and marketing techniques. Unfortunately, it does not tell very good story about integrity’s company… doing whatever is good for their sales instead of giving true, honest and really informative info. In short term, this may be paying but the long term might not reward as well… anyway. It only reminds me how vigilent one must be when surfing on the net.
PLease allow me to come back with my request for your opinion on the http://www.eauvivante.excelexgold.com/indexeng.html site. Here it is in Eng. There was only to click on the «ENGLISH» button on the home page.
Ron Garner has won the Nautilus Award 2007 for his book «Conscious Health» (from which this site is linked); he must be somehow credible. And, as he had evaluated that the Hexahedron999 restructuring system was superior to the ionizers technic, I am kind of stand by in my decision to buy. As well as the 5 persons that await for my oipnion/decision… as it seems that I am the one who takes time for researching and reading and so on… All these close persons to me (most of my family) are caring and longing for living water!
If I was to choose between only ionizers, I was very inclined to buy the EOS machine. BTW thanks for your article « An invitation to all Enagic dealers » inviting them to maybe choose a better «chief»… I would personnaly feel very bad to purchase from a «stranger» when I had been introduced to this water by an Enagic dealer; I had myself invited my dealer to become representative of another brand, so that I can thank and encourage him…
But this is not the entire point, the balance being now -for me – between ionizer and hexahedron999 system…
If you were to take time to read their instructive site and share your impression, that would probably help me in my decision… that I hope to be soon.
Thanks, Rob.
Au plaisir de te lire,
Claude.
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Hi Claude:
You are correct that the current review sites are built to convince viewers to purchase a specific brand. While the sites appear to provide a level of comfort to the potential consumer in terms of choosing the “right” machine, they are totally biased and are therefore useless in my opinion. I wish the sites would produce information that is useful to the public instead of pushing sets of numbers that are easily manipulated.
Thanks for sending an English version of the site. Here are my comments:
* The site emphasises the need for a pre-filtration system, which I agree with completely. However, the prices they charge are far too high and you can do much better if you shop around. The high prices for the filters provides a warning to me that the price of the Hexahedron 999 is probably grossly over priced as well
* The site doesn’t give me any idea of the track record of the product or how it works. I don’t want to be negative about anything unless I have tested it myself, but I just don’t feel qualified to give an opinion
* I understand the concept of creating hexagonal water, but I don’t get how the advertised system does this, and I don’t see how it affects alkalinity or ORP.
* The system might provide benefit, but I just don’t get it. If and when the site provides studies and testimonials about human consumption, I would be more inclined to take a more serious look at the system.
I imagine you were expecting a more positive response from me. I just can’t do that unless I feel comfortable. Water ionizers have been around for 30 years providing benefits to millions of humans.
I agree with your assessment of the EOS as a machine that provides good value. I expect that other companies will have to follow the policy of lower prices for high quality machines in the future if they want to compete. It has already started. I have been reading that Tyent USA has bought out the defunct KYK line that used to be made by EOS, and is bringing it back at $1,795. I would want to wait to see who is actually manufacturing the unit and see it tested before buying it, but at least the price is heading in the right direction.
I expect that the price of the water ionizers is going to be coming down fast in the near future. The water ionizers all work and the best machines are going to have to start competing on price instead of bells and whistles. There is lots of room for prices to drop while still allowing for decent profits. At some point in time, the machines will be made available directly to the public from the manufacturer, or offered at places like Walmart or Costco.
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Bonjour Rob,
merci pour votre réponse / thanks for your quick answer.
(I have to use this «comment form» as the «reply» button does not function from my compu.)
THANKS for having looked at the site. Your evaluation gives me satisfaction, as I have also this same feeling of uncompleteness when visiting even the whole site.
I had written to this lady yesterday for more info and also asking her if she/they were aware of the ionizers systems and what comparison they could sustain. I had no answer yet, but if there were to be interesting new info about it, I will communicate it here.
Somehow, at this point, the balance comes back on the ionizers side, as -as you wrote – the benefits and experience are known for decades. I am not a journalist neither an investigator and won’t spend hours and days in pursuying more info about their system; it is their way-of-doing-business that is shown there, in NOT giving sufficient info about how the «machine» works neither what results it gives on humans. «On juge l’arbre à ses fruits» do we say in French, which means we can state on the value of the tree by the fruits it gives…
So, I am back into the fabulous world of ionizers, ta-dam!
If EOS seems to be a good choice (as you confirm), I also understand that for about the same $, there might be wiseness in maybe awaiting a bit to see what Tyent CANADA would do with the defunct KYK line brought back in the US at 1,795$. Do you think that is it useful to await a bit; is «coming back to school and work» time a good time to have news products released or new prices and marketing plans to come out?
We, here, are 5 or 6 persons longing for drinking and benefiting of this living water. Could I take advantage of the fact that I am the one who mainly makes research and talks of it to others, to get some financial benefit of this coming batch of purchases? Any suggestion?
Thanks again for your time and devotion to real and natural health, Claude J.
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Hi Claude:
I’m only guessing, but I can’t help but think that a lawsuite will be created by EOS against KYK because the KYK machine was created by EOS. The fact that KYK has changed a couple of parts doesn’t excuse it from charges or pirating the patents on the machine. I suspect that KYK will try to circumvent their responsibility by saying the new machine is made in China, where EOS has no jurisdiction.
If I had a choice, I would buy an EOS for $1,695 over a KYK for $1,795. or even $1,595. The EOS company has been manufacturing machines for 6 years and has a stellar reputation. When KYK started putting unauthorized parts into their machine to save money, their machines ended up being a disaster. As a result, KYK lost its distributors in the USA, Canada, and even in Korea, where the machines were made. I don’t have alot of confidence in the ability of KYK to suddenly produce a high quality machine. The fact that the KYK machines are going to be made in China causes me greater concern as I wouldn’t buy a health product made in China. The safety issue with Chinese products may change someday, but for now, I think it is appropriate to be cautious.
In additon to the quality and value issues, it really bugs me that Tyent intentionally killed off KYK in America and now that they are bringing KYK back as their own product and claiming how great it is.
No matter which brand you choose, or which company you go with, I’m sure that you can negotiate a good deal based upon a volume purchase of 5 or 6 machines. Do your homework and then go with your intuition.
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What about the ASEA product? Is it just an ionized water?
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Hi Bennie:
I have heard about ASEA, but I really don’t know anything about the Asea product other than what I read online. I believe that Dr. Dave Carpenter, the ND who is the author of “Change Your Water, Change Your Life” which was a strong promotional tool for Enagic has become involved with Asea.
Asea claims to be a source of Redox signalling molecules, which “turns on” the effectiveness of antioxidants. Perhaps our readers can help us out here.
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Thanks so much for your thorough analysis of the water ionizers. I read your opinion on the Hexahedron 999 and was wondering if your opinion has changed, if you’ve had the opportunity to review it, etc.? My nutritionist sells it and swears by it for gardening, drinking, etc. But, before I spend $495 for an attachment for my garden hose, I wanted to research it a bit more. But, there aren’t many sites I trust since most appear to be “reviews” posted by resellers of the product.
Thanks!
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