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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://www.waterfyi.com/alkaline-water/exposing-the-quack-behind-the-alkaline-water-quackwatchers/comment-page-1/#comment-1699</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 03:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Daniel:

Nice to see you back on the blog. 

The battle against the quackwatch/debunkers will never end, but I will keep doing what I do.  I have been working on an a new article about the validity of water ionizers which should be up on the blog soon. 

I don&#039;t have a comment on the small study on newborn rats.  What I do know is that ionized water has been around for 30 years and it has helped millions of people.  To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a claim made against the water legitimate or otherwise.  Now there is a thought for the debunkers and their pharma backers....just launch a lawsuit.  I wouldn&#039;t put it past them. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Daniel:</p>
<p>Nice to see you back on the blog. </p>
<p>The battle against the quackwatch/debunkers will never end, but I will keep doing what I do.  I have been working on an a new article about the validity of water ionizers which should be up on the blog soon. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a comment on the small study on newborn rats.  What I do know is that ionized water has been around for 30 years and it has helped millions of people.  To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a claim made against the water legitimate or otherwise.  Now there is a thought for the debunkers and their pharma backers&#8230;.just launch a lawsuit.  I wouldn&#8217;t put it past them. </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello again Rob!
Hehe, the funniset thing happend as when I saw my earlier comment in here also have been posted on another vendor site selling ionized water.

Now to my main purpose... you should really create a new category something called &quot;Debunkers Debunked&quot; and list all the sites you come across which debunks ionized alkaline water. I have found a few more which have a quite convincing text which may very well confuse those who are new to this water. As you already know.

But there is one study I found which I have not found any real comments on, is the study on newborn rats given ionized alkaline water during 15 days which may give them a marked myocardiac necrosis and fibrosis than the group drinking tap water. The study says it is caused by a degeneration of myosin (a needed protein) that affects the contraction of heart muscle. And also showed a leakage of myocardinac creatine kinase (an enzyme in muscle, brain and other tissues).
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/ Can tell you more about these medical terms .
This study was written 1998 on pubmed by Toshi Watanabes

P.S
Is it not possible to comment your comment on my first comment, instead of posting a new comment to comment your comment?  :p
What I mean is, the reply link does not work for me, or is it only for you (admin) to use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again Rob!<br />
Hehe, the funniset thing happend as when I saw my earlier comment in here also have been posted on another vendor site selling ionized water.</p>
<p>Now to my main purpose&#8230; you should really create a new category something called &#8220;Debunkers Debunked&#8221; and list all the sites you come across which debunks ionized alkaline water. I have found a few more which have a quite convincing text which may very well confuse those who are new to this water. As you already know.</p>
<p>But there is one study I found which I have not found any real comments on, is the study on newborn rats given ionized alkaline water during 15 days which may give them a marked myocardiac necrosis and fibrosis than the group drinking tap water. The study says it is caused by a degeneration of myosin (a needed protein) that affects the contraction of heart muscle. And also showed a leakage of myocardinac creatine kinase (an enzyme in muscle, brain and other tissues).<br />
<a href="http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/" rel="nofollow">http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/</a> Can tell you more about these medical terms .<br />
This study was written 1998 on pubmed by Toshi Watanabes</p>
<p>P.S<br />
Is it not possible to comment your comment on my first comment, instead of posting a new comment to comment your comment?  :p<br />
What I mean is, the reply link does not work for me, or is it only for you (admin) to use?</p>
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		<title>By: Herbert Martensy @ Kangen Water</title>
		<link>http://www.waterfyi.com/alkaline-water/exposing-the-quack-behind-the-alkaline-water-quackwatchers/comment-page-1/#comment-1527</link>
		<dc:creator>Herbert Martensy @ Kangen Water</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 00:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob, it is not so much advertising as it is providing readers with a factual resource related to Kangen Water. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob, it is not so much advertising as it is providing readers with a factual resource related to Kangen Water. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://www.waterfyi.com/alkaline-water/exposing-the-quack-behind-the-alkaline-water-quackwatchers/comment-page-1/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 03:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Herbert:

Enjoy the free advertising.  You may have a tough time selling water ionizers for $3,980 to people who read this blog, so this might not be the best place to advertise.  However, free is free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Herbert:</p>
<p>Enjoy the free advertising.  You may have a tough time selling water ionizers for $3,980 to people who read this blog, so this might not be the best place to advertise.  However, free is free.</p>
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		<title>By: Herbert Martensy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herbert Martensy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 19:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Learn more about &lt;a href=&#039;http://captainkangenwater.com&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kangen Water&lt;/a&gt; and the Alkaline Diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learn more about <a href='http://captainkangenwater.com' rel="nofollow">Kangen Water</a> and the Alkaline Diet.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 13:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Daniel:

Welcome to the blog.  Nice to see a response from Sweden, which I&#039;m told is a beautiful country.

The water is slowly gaining a foothold in Europe, just like it is in North America.

I have had enough of Stephen Lower.  Myself and others have called him out a number of times and he has admitted that he won&#039;t try the water or test it, but he does admit that it probably works.   So much for being a scientist.

Distilled water has its place, just not for drinking unless there is no alternative such as in a disaster situation.  When raw sewage is being dumped into drinking water supplies, distilled water will save your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Daniel:</p>
<p>Welcome to the blog.  Nice to see a response from Sweden, which I&#8217;m told is a beautiful country.</p>
<p>The water is slowly gaining a foothold in Europe, just like it is in North America.</p>
<p>I have had enough of Stephen Lower.  Myself and others have called him out a number of times and he has admitted that he won&#8217;t try the water or test it, but he does admit that it probably works.   So much for being a scientist.</p>
<p>Distilled water has its place, just not for drinking unless there is no alternative such as in a disaster situation.  When raw sewage is being dumped into drinking water supplies, distilled water will save your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 10:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rob.
Great to see someone started out a blog regarding this subject.
About Dr Lower, I wonder if you have seen the replies which were answered to his most criticized statmements? I have seen them posted on two different pages and it is a pleasant read :)

I Live in Sweden and have started to drink this water since aug &#039;09 and have never had a cold or allergies since then. At first even I was sceptic of cource when I first heard about it :) Not until a few months later I began to read a bunch of articles regarding why this water works... and I must say it is total logical.

I have started a topic in a well visited forum in my country asking how much they know about ionized water in general. And it is terrifying to know how little knowledge they hold about water and its structures and most are even strongly for distilled water to be the purest and healthiest water to drink!?! That is sooooo 70s when pure water was popular, but now it is 2010 and it is still being sold world wide!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rob.<br />
Great to see someone started out a blog regarding this subject.<br />
About Dr Lower, I wonder if you have seen the replies which were answered to his most criticized statmements? I have seen them posted on two different pages and it is a pleasant read <img src='http://www.waterfyi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I Live in Sweden and have started to drink this water since aug &#8217;09 and have never had a cold or allergies since then. At first even I was sceptic of cource when I first heard about it <img src='http://www.waterfyi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Not until a few months later I began to read a bunch of articles regarding why this water works&#8230; and I must say it is total logical.</p>
<p>I have started a topic in a well visited forum in my country asking how much they know about ionized water in general. And it is terrifying to know how little knowledge they hold about water and its structures and most are even strongly for distilled water to be the purest and healthiest water to drink!?! That is sooooo 70s when pure water was popular, but now it is 2010 and it is still being sold world wide!</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 04:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Desiree:

I must have missed your comment when I was in Korea last week.  I went to meet with engineers and quality assurance people, and to inspect factories.  I wanted to learn from the people that are actually making the machines, as I have heard enough from the domestic marketing people.   

In regards to the hydrogen sticks, I have used one a number of times.  They sticks contain minerals which do increase the pH to about 8.5 and reduce the ORP to around zero (plus or minus).  I think the sticks have a worthwhile function as they can be used in an emergency, or to freshen up ionized water that has been sitting for awhile.  However, the sticks don&#039;t actually ionize the water or create micro clusters and should never be substituted for a real water ionizer. 

I had never heard of the Aqua Liv system, so I just checked out their website.  They sell a filter system, worth about $250 and they claim their vortex system creates hexagonal water.   The site provides virtually nothing in terms of statistics about performance.   I don&#039;t know enough about the technology to provide a proper review.  I&#039;m willing to learn, but in the meantime, I would go for proven technology from a well established company that can offer great results for less money. Water ionizers have a 30 year track record in Asia, and they have helped hundreds of people that I have spoken with.  If you do purchase a system, I would like to hear your comments.  If the company sends me a unit, I will test it and publish my unbiased opinion.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Desiree:</p>
<p>I must have missed your comment when I was in Korea last week.  I went to meet with engineers and quality assurance people, and to inspect factories.  I wanted to learn from the people that are actually making the machines, as I have heard enough from the domestic marketing people.   </p>
<p>In regards to the hydrogen sticks, I have used one a number of times.  They sticks contain minerals which do increase the pH to about 8.5 and reduce the ORP to around zero (plus or minus).  I think the sticks have a worthwhile function as they can be used in an emergency, or to freshen up ionized water that has been sitting for awhile.  However, the sticks don&#8217;t actually ionize the water or create micro clusters and should never be substituted for a real water ionizer. </p>
<p>I had never heard of the Aqua Liv system, so I just checked out their website.  They sell a filter system, worth about $250 and they claim their vortex system creates hexagonal water.   The site provides virtually nothing in terms of statistics about performance.   I don&#8217;t know enough about the technology to provide a proper review.  I&#8217;m willing to learn, but in the meantime, I would go for proven technology from a well established company that can offer great results for less money. Water ionizers have a 30 year track record in Asia, and they have helped hundreds of people that I have spoken with.  If you do purchase a system, I would like to hear your comments.  If the company sends me a unit, I will test it and publish my unbiased opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard: 

Great to hear that you are excited about the water and how it has made a positive impact in your life and the lives of others.  I&#039;m not a big fan of the MLM aspect of Enagic, but as long as you are spreading the word about the water, I grateful for your efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard: </p>
<p>Great to hear that you are excited about the water and how it has made a positive impact in your life and the lives of others.  I&#8217;m not a big fan of the MLM aspect of Enagic, but as long as you are spreading the word about the water, I grateful for your efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 02:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rob for posting this. If you can believe it, I am a RN working in surgery. And when I told a couple of the Dr&#039;s about this water, the Snake Oil guy appeared on one of our bulletin boards.
  Of course the doctors all think they have all the answers. Obviously, for many people, they do not.
  I am a new Enagic distributor, and am really excited about how tyhe water has changed my life, and also those with whom I have shared this water.
  Let me know if you need any help.
                                  Sincerely, Richard Anderson RN   San Diego</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rob for posting this. If you can believe it, I am a RN working in surgery. And when I told a couple of the Dr&#8217;s about this water, the Snake Oil guy appeared on one of our bulletin boards.<br />
  Of course the doctors all think they have all the answers. Obviously, for many people, they do not.<br />
  I am a new Enagic distributor, and am really excited about how tyhe water has changed my life, and also those with whom I have shared this water.<br />
  Let me know if you need any help.<br />
                                  Sincerely, Richard Anderson RN   San Diego</p>
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